Points of  Controversy 
OR 
Subjects of  Discourse 
BEING A TRANSLATION OF THE KATHAVATTHU 
FROM THE ABHIDHAMMA-PITAKA 
BY 
SHWE ZAN AUNG, B.A 
AND 
MRS. RHYS DAVIDS, M.A
5. Three  Other Arguments:  (a)  On Attainment  of  Arahant- 
ship by the Embryo; (b)  on Penetration  of  Truth  by a 
Dreamer;  (e)  on Attainment  of  Arahantship) by a 
Dreamer. 
From the Commentary.—The  attainment of  Arahantship by very 
young Stream-winners, [notably the story of]  the [phenomenal] seven-
year-old son of  the lay-believer Suppavasa,2 led the same sectaries to 
believe in even ante-natal attainment of  Arahantship.3 They, hold 
further, seeing the wonderful  feats, such as levitation, etc., that are 
experienced in dreams, that the dreamer may not only penetrate the 
Truth, but also attain Arahantship. 
In  all  three cases the argument  is simply a restatement 
of  XXII.  4, §3. 
6 . Of  the Unmoral. 
Controverted  Point.—That  all dream-consciousness is 
ethically neutral. 
From the Commentary.—From the "Word, ' There  is volition,  and 
that  volition is negligible,'4 some—that is, certain of  the Uttara-
pathakas—hold the aforesaid  view. But this was spoken with refer-
 
2
 This was a favourite legend. See Pss. of  the Brethren, lxx. 'Sivali,' 
the child-saint in question ; Jataka,  No. 100; Udana,  ii. 8 ; Dhamma-
pada  Commentary,  iv. 192 f.  Also on the mother, Anguttwra-Nik., 
ii. 62. 
3
 The embryonic consciousness carrying the force  of  previous, 
culminating karma into effect.  See previous page, n. 1. 
4
 Vinaya, iii. 112, commenting on Vinaya  Texts,  ii. 226. Abbo-
hari-ka (or -ya), i.e., a-voharika , not of legal or conventional 
status. 
ence to ecclesiastical offences,1 Although a dreamer may entertain 
evil thoughts of  murder, etc., no injury to life or property is wrought. 
Hence they cannot be classed as offences.  Hence dream-thoughts are 
a negligible quantity, and for  this reason, and not because they are 
ethically neutral, they may be ignored.2 
[1] Th.—You  admit, do you not, that a dreamer may 
(in dreams) commit murder, theft,  etc. ? How then can 
you call such consciousness ethically neutral ? 
[2] U.—If  I am wrong, was it not said by the Exalted 
One that dream-consciousness was negligible? If  so, my 
proposition holds good. 
7. Of  Correlation  by Repetition.3 
Controverted  Point.—That  there is no correlation by 
way of  repetition. 
From the Commentary.—Inasmuch  as all phenomena are momen-
tary, nothing persisting more than an instant, nothing can be so 
correlated as to effect  repetition; hence there never is repetition. 
This is also an opinion of  the TJttarapathakas. 
[1] Th.—But  was it not said by the Exalted One : ' The 
taking  of  life,  bhikkhus,  when habitually  practised  and  multi-
plied,  is conducive  to rebirth in purgatory,  or among animals, 
or Petas. In  its slightest  form  it results  in, and  is conducive 
to, a brief  life  among men[2] And again : ' Theft, 
bhikkhus,  adultery,  lying,  slander,  uttering  harsh words,  idle 
talkf  intoxication,  habitually  practised  and  multiplied,  are 
each and  all  conducive  to rebirth in purgatory,  among animals, 
or Petas. The  slightest  theft  results  in, conduces  to destruc-
tion of  property;  the mildest  offence  against  chastity gives 
rise to retaliatory  measures among men; the lightest  form 
of  lying exposes the liar to false  accusation among men; the 
mildest  offence  in slander  leads  to a rupture of  friendship 
1
 Apatti , explained (after  an exegetic fashion) as attang pilanang
pajjatiti, ' is come to infliction  of  punishments.' 
2
 Cf.  Compendium,  pp. 47, 52. 
3
 Asevana. See p. 294, n. 2. 
among men ; the lightest  result  of  harsh -words  creates sounds 
jarring on the human ear; the slightest  result  of  idle  talk 
is speech commanding  no respect1 among men ; the mildest 
inebriety conduces  to want of sanity among men'?2 [3, 4] And 
again: ' Wrong  views, bhikkhus,  wrong aspiration,  effort, 
speech, activity,  livelihood,  mindfulness,  concentration—each 
and  all,  if  habitually  practised,  developed,  and  multiplied, 
conduce  to rebirth in purgatory,  among animals, among Petcis 
And again: 'Right  views, right  purpose, etc, habitually 
practised,  developed,  and  multiplied,  have their base and  their 
goal  and  their end  in the Ambrosial'?3
 
8. Of  Momentary  Duration. 
Controverted  Point.—That  all things are momentary 
conscious units. 
From the Commentary.—Some—for  instance, the Pubbaseliyas and 
the Aparaseliyas—hold that, since all conditioned things are imper-
manent, therefore  they endure but one conscious moment. Given 
universal impermanence—one thing ceases quickly, another after  an 
interval—what, they ask, is here the law ? The Theravadin shows it 
is but arbitrary to say that because things are not immutable, therefore 
they all last but one mental moment. 
[1] Th.—Do  you imply that a mountain, the ocean, 
Sineru chief  of  mountains, the cohesive, fiery,  and mobile 
elements, grass, twigs, trees, all last [only so long] in con-
sciousness ? You deny. . . . 
[2] Or do you imply that the organ of  sight coincides4 for 
the same moment of  time with the visual cognition ? If 
you assent, I would remind you of  what the venerable 
Sariputta said : 'If,  brother,  the eye within he intact,  but the 
object 'without  does  not come into focus,  and  there is no eo~ 
ordinated  application of  mind  resulting  therefrom,  then a cor-
responding  state of  cognition is not manifested.  And  if  the 
1
 Cf.  the positive form  of  this term in Vinaya  Texts,  iii. 186, § 8. 
2
 Anguttara-Nik.,  iv. 247. 
3
 Samyutta-Nik.,  v. 54, but the word asevito is wanting. 
4
 Sahajatang, 'come into being and cease together.'—Comy. 
organ of  sight  within be intact,  and  the object without  come 
into focus?  but no co-ordinated  application of  mind  result 
therefrom,  a corresponding  state of  cognition is not manifested. 
But if  all  these conditions  be satisfied,  then a corresponding 
state of  cognition is manifested '?1 
Where now is your assertion about coincidence in time ? 
[3] The same Suttanta reference  may be cited to refute 
you with respect to time-coincidence in the other four  senses. 
[4] P. A.—But are all things permanent, enduring, per-
during, immutable ? 
Th.—Nay  that cannot truly be said. . . . 
1
 Majjhima-Nik.,  i. 190.
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