Points of  Controversy 
OR 
Subjects of  Discourse 
BEING A TRANSLATION OF THE KATHAVATTHU 
FROM THE ABHIDHAMMA-PITAKA 
BY 
SHWE ZAN AUNG, B.A 
AND 
MRS. RHYS DAVIDS, M.A
4. Of  Purification  Piecemeal. 
Controverted  Point—That  [the converted man] gives up 
the corruptions piecemeal.
2 
From the Commentary.—'  This discussion is to break down the 
opinion, held now by the Sammitiyas and others, that when Stream-
Winners and those in the other paths, through the higher comprehen-
sion gained in jhana, attain insight into the nature of  Ill and so on, 
1
The simile is not apt in so far  as the Non-Returner's final  birth 
'there' is likened to the dying only of  the deer, and not to the last, 
expiring run before  it sinks dying. The arrow, for  the Never-Returner, 
has still work to do. Only for  the Arahant is its work done. The 
former,  as deva,  has one more spell of  running to do. 
2
Odhis-odhiso . This term is applied also, in the Patisam-
bhida-magga  (ii. 180), to the more specialized variety of  the 
'love-irradiating' contemplation prescribed as a religious exercise, 
anodhis o being the more catholic form  of  the same. As we 
pointed out in reviewing this work (JRAS,  1908, p. 591), in a 
corresponding differentiation  in the Jataka  Atthakatha  (i. 80 f.;  ii. 61), 
the word appears as an-odissaka . We have not found  either 
variant elsewhere in the Pitakas. 
the putting away of  corruptions [or vices] goes on piecemeal, that is, 
by one portion at a time.
5 
[1-4] Theravadin.—You  affirm  this because, you say, 
when a person1
who has worked to realize the fruit  of  the 
First Path (Stream-Winning) wins insight into the nature 
of  Ill and its cause, he gives up these [three of the ten] 
fetters
2
—theory  of  a soul, doubt, and the contagion o f 
mere rule and ritual—and the corruptions involved in 
these, in part; further,  that when such a person wins 
insight into the cessation o f  Ill , he gives up the latter two 
of  those fetters  and the corruptions involved in them, in 
part; further,  that when such a person wins insight into 
the Path [leading to that cessation], he gives up those 
corruptions involved, in part. 
But then you should also admit—what you deny—that 
one part of  him is Stream-Winner, one part is not; that he 
attains, obtains, reaches up to, lives in the realization of , 
enters into personal contact with the fruition  o f  Stream-
Winning with one part of  him, and not with the other part 
of  him; that with one part only of  him has he earned the 
destiny of  but seven more rebirths, or the destiny to be 
well reborn only twice or thrice, as man or deva, or the 
destiny of  but one more rebirth ;
3
that in one part of  him 
only is he filled  with faith  in the Buddha, the Norm, the 
Order; that with one part only of  him is he filled  with 
virtues dear to Ariyans. 
[5-8] Again, you say, that when a person who has 
worked to realize the fruition  of  the Once-Returner, wins 
insight into the nature of  11 1 and its cause, he gives up 
gross sensuous passions, the coarser forms  of  ill-will, and 
the corruptions involved in these, in part; further,  that 
1
Puggala, again used in its popular or non-metaphysical sense. 
2
Cf.  above, p. 66, n. 2. 
3
Satta-kkhattuparamo , kolankolo , ekabiji . Cf . 
Anguttara-Nih.,  i. 238 ; Puggala-Pannatti,  p. 15 f.  ; and Commen-
tary,  JPTS,  1914, p. 195 f. ,  in all of  which these terms are explained. 
The last—the 'one-seeder '—differs  from  the Once,, and the Never-
Returners, in that he is already in his last life,  and that on earth. 
when such a person wins insight into the cessation of  Ill , 
he gives up the coarser forms  of  ill-will and the corruptions 
involved therewith, in part; further,  that when such a 
person wins insight into the Path [leading to the cessation 
of  Ill] , he gives up the corruptions referred  to. 
But then you should also admit—which you deny—that 
one part of  him is Once-Returner, one part is not; that he 
attains, obtains, reaches up to, lives in the realization of , 
enters into personal contact with the fruition  of  the Once-
Returner, with one part of  him and not with the other part. 
[9-12] Again, you say, that when a person who has 
worked to realize the fruition  of  the Never-Returner, wins 
insight into the nature of  Ill and its cause, he gives up the 
little residuum of  sensuous passion, the little residuum of 
ill-will and the corruptions involved therewith, in part; 
further,  that when such a person wins insight into the 
cessation of  Ill , he gives up the little residuum of  ill-will 
and the corruptions involved therewith, in part; further, 
that when he wins insight into the path [leading to the 
cessation of  Ill] , he gives up the corruptions aforenamed 
in part. 
But then you must also admit—which you deny—that 
one part of  him is Never-Returner, one part is not; that he 
attains, obtains, reaches up to, lives in the realization of , 
enters into personal contact with the fruition  of  the Never-
Returner with one part of  him, and not with the other part 
of  him; that with one part of  him only does he complete 
existence within the term between birth and middle life, 
or within the term between middle life  and death, or without 
external instigation,
1
or with it ; that with one part of  him 
only does he become ' an upstreamer,' bound for  the senior 
deva-world,
2
and not with the other part of  him. 
1
Asankharena. The Puggala-Pannatti  Comy,  explains this to 
mean 'effected  with little trouble, without much contriving' (JPTS, 
1914, p. 199). Sa-sankharena implies of  course the opposite: 
'dukkhena , kasirena , adhimattapayogang katva . 
2
Akanittha, the fifth  and topmost plane of  the 'Pure Abodes.' The 
'stream,' according to the Comy,  quoted, may be understood either as 
'natural desire,' or the 'round' of  rebirth, or as the 'Path-stream.'
[13-16] Again, you say that when a person who has 
worked to realize Arahantship wins insight into the nature 
of  Ill and its cause, he gives up the lust of  life  with 
material quality, the lust of  life  of  immaterial quality, 
conceit, distraction, ignorance, and the corruptions in-
volved therein, in part; further,  that when such an one 
wins insight into the cessation of  Ill , he gives up the last 
three of  those fetters  and the corruptions involved therein, 
in part; further,  that when he wins insight into the path 
[leading to the cessation of  Ill] , he gives up the last two of 
those fetters—distraction  and ignorance—and the corrup-
tions involved in them, in part. 
But then you must also admit—what you deny—that 
one part of  him is Arahant, and one part is not; that he 
attains to, obtains, reaches up to, lives in the realization 
of ,  enters into personal contact with Arahantship with one 
part of  him, and not with the other part of  him ; that with 
one part only has he done with passions, hate, dulness; 
that with one part only has he 'done that which was to be 
done,'1 'got rid of  the burden,' 'won the good supreme,' 
' wholly destroyed the fetter  of  becoming,' with one part 
only is he emancipated by perfect  knowledge, is 'one for 
whom the bar is thrown up,' ' the trenches are filled,' 
* one who has drawn out,' 'for  whom there is no lock or 
bolt,' with one part only is he Ariyan, ' with lowered 
banner,' 'with burden fallen,'  'detached,' 'conqueror of  a 
realm well conquered,' with one part only has he under-
stood Ill , put away its cause, realized its cessation, 
practised the path, comprehended that which is to be 
comprehended, learnt that which should be learnt, put 
away that which is to be eliminated, developed that which 
is to be developed, realized that which may be realized, 
and not any of  this with the other part. 
[17] S.—But  if  it be wrong to deny that my thesis is 
true, why did the Exalted One say thus:— 
'Little  by little,  one by one, as pass 
The  moments, gradually  let  the wise, 
1
Cf .  I. 2, § 47.
Like smith the blemishes of  silver,  blow 
The  specks that  mar his purity away '  ?1 
Is the Suttanta thus ? Does this not justify  my answer-
ing 'Yes'?
2 
[18] Th.—But  was it not said by the Exalted One :— 
'For  him, e'en as insight  cloth come to pass, 
Three  things as bygones are renounced  for  aye: 
Belief  that  in him dwells  a soul, and  doubt, 
And  faith  in rule and  rite—if  aught3 remain. 
Both from  the fourfold  doom4
is he released, 
And  ne'er  the six fell  deeds  are his to do' 
Is the Suttanta thus ? 
[19] Again, was it not said by the Exalted One:— 
'  Whenever,  0 bhikkhus,  for  the Ariyan disciple  there doth 
arise the stainless,  flawless  Eye of  the Norm—that  what-
soever by its nature may happen, may also 'by its nature 
cease—then with the arising of  that  vision doth  he put away 
these three fetters:—belief  in a soul, doubt,  and  the contagion 
of  mere rule and  ritual'  ?6 
Is the Suttanta thus ? Hence it must not be said that 
the religious man gives up the corruptions piecemeal.
* 1
Dhammapada, verse 239; latter half  also in Sutta-Nipata, 
verse 962. 
2
Omit na in Tenahi , etc. 
3
Read yad' for  yadi. 
4
Rebirth in purgatory, as demon, as 'shade,' or as beast. 
5
Matricide, parricide, Arahanticide, wounding a Buddha, schism, 
heresy. Sutta-Nipata,  verse 231. 
6
Cf .  Vinaya  Texts,  i. 97; Samy-Nik,  iv. 47, 107; Anguttara-
Nik.,  iv. 186.
 
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